Source
Source for: Malcolm Mackenneth, 958 - 25 NOV 1034
Index
Name source: S519Page: Ancestry Family Tree
Name source: S352Text: Record for Malcolm Mackenneth
Burial source: S352Text: Record for Malcolm Mackenneth
Death source: S352Text: Record for Malcolm Mackenneth
Name source: S519Page: Ancestry Family Tree
Name source: S352Text: Record for Malcolm Mackenneth
Source
Source for: Elizabeth Mackey, 7 MAR 1831 - 18 MAY 1880
Index
Name source: S519Page: Haworth Family Tree 2 - 2014-03-26
Text: Record for Anne Taylor http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=18566026622&indiv=try
Page: Warner Family Tree 2015-07-11
Text: Record for Edward Mackey http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=6276283616&indiv=try
Page: Manadorset3 2015-07-24
Text: Record for Edward Comber http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=42261043700&indiv=try
Page: Manadorset1-1 2015-07-24
Text: Record for Edward Comber http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=26047184447&indiv=try
Name source: S768Text: Record for Edward Comber http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=AusDeathIndex&h=3676354&indiv=try
Name source: S523Text: Record for Edward Comber http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=AusBirthIndex&h=4392942&indiv=try
Burial source: S325Text: Date of Import: 18 Sep 2005
Burial source: S130Page: ComberEdward1820.FTW
Burial source: S260 Megan Tilley and others, WebSearches - LDS, RootsWeb, etc, Web/Internet, Date of Import: 27 Nov 2005.
Text: Date of Import: 27 Nov 2005 Megan Tilley and others, WebSearches - LDS, RootsWeb, etc, Web/Internet, Date of Import: 27 Nov 2005.
Baptism source: S325Text: Date of Import: 18 Sep 2005
Baptism source: S262Page: Baptism - 1831/1756, 7 March 1831, MACKEY Elizabeth
Baptism source: S159Baptism source: S260Text: Date of Import: 27 Nov 2005 Megan Tilley and others, WebSearches - LDS, RootsWeb, etc, Web/Internet, Date of Import: 27 Nov 2005.
Baptism source: S524Page: Baptism Register - Mackey, Elizabeth 1831 ========== Mackey, Elizabeth Name: Mackey, Elizabeth Record Type: Births Gender: Female Father: Mackey, Edward Mother: Mackey, Mary Date of birth: 07 Mar 1831 Registered: Hobart Registration year: 1831 Record ID: NAME_INDEXES:1081633
Text: Baptisms Wesleyan Church Hobart
Number =- 128
When baptised =- 27 March 1831
When and where born =- 7 March 1831 Macquarie Harbor
Parents Name (Christian & Surname) =- Edward MacKey Mary MacKey
Abode =- Macquarie Harbour
Trade or Profession =- Sergeant 63rd Regiment
By whom performed =- Revd William Schofield https://linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/search/detailnonmodal/ent:$002f$002fNAME_INDEXES$002f0$002fNAME_INDEXES:1081633/one
Birth source: S260 Megan Tilley and others, WebSearches - LDS, RootsWeb, etc, Web/Internet, Date of Import: 27 Nov 2005.
Birth source: S178Birth source: S260Text: Date of Import: 27 Nov 2005 Megan Tilley and others, WebSearches - LDS, RootsWeb, etc, Web/Internet, Date of Import: 27 Nov 2005.
Birth source: S519Page: Haworth Family Tree 2 - 2014-03-26
Text: Record for Anne Taylor http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=18566026622&indiv=try
Birth source: S393Page: Surname : McKay First Name : Elizabeth
Text: Surname : McKay
First Name : Elizabeth
Age on arrival : 19
Native Place : Macquarie Harbour, Van Diemens Land [Tasmania]
Parents : Edward & Ann (both dead)
Religion : Church of England
Ship name : John Knox (Sydney Apr 1850)
Workhouse : Cootehill, Cavan
Other : Shipping: house servant, reads & writes, relations in colony: an aunt, a cousin, Ann Gilroy, living in Sydney. Sister, Sarah, also on board John Knox. Father a sergeant in VDL, possibly stationed at Sarah Island and probably later died at sea. His wife Ann died about the same time, leaving 3 known children (Mary Jane, Sarah and Elizabeth). The British Army sent the now orphaned girls back to Ireland, which was where Edward enlisted. Mary Jane married Robert Devlyn Smyth and moved to Utah, USA (as a Mormon). Elizabeth and Sarah were selected from the workhouse to come to NSW under Famine Orphan Scheme. Elizabeth McKay/Mackie married Edward Coomber [Comber], 14 children. Megan Tilley megan.tilley[at]gmail.com http://www.irishfaminememorial.org/orphans/database/?page=8&surName=&firstName=&nativePlace=&parents=&age=0&religion=&ship=18
Birth source: S519Page: Manadorset3 2015-07-24
Text: Record for Edward Comber http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=42261043700&indiv=try
Page: Manadorset1-1 2015-07-24
Text: Record for Edward Comber http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=26047184447&indiv=try
Page: Warner Family Tree 2015-07-11
Text: Record for Edward Mackey http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=6276283616&indiv=try
Birth source: S178Page: Database online.
Event source: S121Page: 185029 AprJohn KnoxReel 2136, [4/4786] p.577
Page: State of New South Wales through the State Records Authority of NSW 2016. Assisted Immigrants Database
Text: MCKAYElizabeth19John Knox1850Sydney and/or Newcastleand sisterReel 2136, [4/4786] Page 577; Reel 2461, [4/4917]
MCKAYSarah21John Knox1850Sydney and/or Newcastleand sisterReel 2136, [4/4786] Page 577; Reel 2461, [4/4917]
https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/searchhits_nocopy?page=10&id=9&surname=&firstname=&ship=John%20Knox&year=1850&arriving=Sydney%20and/or%20Newcastle&remarks= https://www.records.nsw.gov.au/searchhits_nocopy?page=10&id=9&surname=&firstname=&ship=John%20Knox&year=1850&arriving=Sydney%20and/or%20Newcastle&remarks=
Event source: S560Page: THE HYDE PARK BARRACKS-FEMALE IMMIGRANT DEPOT Contributed By cherylkayfromm1 · 18 December 2014
Text: THE HYDE PARK BARRACKS-FEMALE IMMIGRANT DEPOT
Contributed By cherylkayfromm1 · 18 December 2014 · 0 Comments
Sarah Emelia and Elizabeth Mackey were returning to their birth country as Irish Female Orphans. They had left Australia 17 years ago in 1833 at the age of 4 and 2. They were now 21 and 19 years old. Unlike the other orphans aboard the ship, they had travel the seas, crossed the equator 4 times before. They had been raised in this side of world (Australia, India, and Burma). Actually, it probably felt like they were going home.
Sarah Emelia and Elizabeth Mackey's first glimpse of Sydney, Australia in 1850 was from the "John Knox" ship looking at Bennelong Point. Pulling into the Sydney Cove, the 192 girls must have rejoiced. The Irish girls had exchanged the rain, poverty and hunger of Ireland for the sunny skies of New South Wales. They had received a new hope for their lives. They had left the legendary sufferings of the workhouses. They had left Ireland where one million people had just died from hunger-related issued because of the Potato Famine. About 1 and 1/2 million had fled to other countries. Ireland's population of 8.5 million had decreased to 6 million. Yet the reality was, Australia was the most Irish place in the world outside of Ireland- with 1 out 4 people coming from Ireland.
After being dropped off, the human cargo of girls walked up to the top of Macquarie Street to the old convict barracks "Hyde Park Barracks" which had become the "Female Immigrant Depot". At the depot, they had housing and waited to find employment or their relatives to come for them. https://familysearch.org/photos/stories/12207087
Event source: S891Page: Cootehill, Co. Cavan
Text: Cootehill Poor Law Union was formed 10th August 1839, and covered an area of 164 square miles. Its operation was overseen by an elected Board of Guardians, 18 in number, representing its 12 electoral divisions as listed below (figures in brackets indicate numbers of Guardians if more than one):
Co. Cavan: Ashfield (2), Cootehill (2), Drumgoon, Drung, Knockbride (2), Larah, Rakenny, Tullyvin.
Co. Monaghan: Aghabog (2), Cormeen (2), Dawson Grove (2), Drum.
The Board also included 6 ex officio Guardians, making a total of 24.
The population falling within the union at the 1831 census had been 63,472 — ranging from Tullyvin (population 3,033) to Dawson Grove (7,511) and Cootehill itself (7,335).
The new workhouse, built in 1841-2, was designed by George Wilkinson. It occupied a six-acre site a mile to the east of Cootehiil, and could accommodate 800 inmates. The cost of the building was £7,360 plus £808 for fixtures and fittings etc. It was declared fit for the admission of paupers on 15th September 1842, and admitted its first inmates just under three months later on the 2nd December.
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Records
Note: many repositories impose a closure period of up to 100 years for records identifying individuals.
Cavan County Library, Farnham Street, Cavan, Co. Cavan. Main holdings: Guardians' minute books (1839-1917). Detailed list.
Bibliography
Crossman, V (2006) Politics, Pauperism and Power in Late Nineteenth-century Ireland
Gould, Michael H (1983) The Workhouses of Ulster
Gray, P (2009) The Making of the Irish Poor Law, 1815-43
O'Connor, J (1995) The Workhouses of Ireland
Links
None. http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Cootehill/
Death source: S325Text: Date of Import: 18 Sep 2005
Death source: S156Death source: S130Page: ComberEdward1820.FTW
Death source: S260 Megan Tilley and others, WebSearches - LDS, RootsWeb, etc, Web/Internet, Date of Import: 27 Nov 2005.
Death source: S262Page: Death - 1880/10372, 19 May 1880, Elizabeth COMBER
Death source: S519Page: Haworth Family Tree 2 - 2014-03-26
Text: Record for Anne Taylor http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=18566026622&indiv=try
Death source: S260Text: Date of Import: 27 Nov 2005 Megan Tilley and others, WebSearches - LDS, RootsWeb, etc, Web/Internet, Date of Import: 27 Nov 2005.
Death source: S156Text: Record for Stanley R Miller http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=AusDeathIndex&h=3994418&indiv=try
Name source: S325Text: Date of Import: 18 Sep 2005
Name source: S178Name source: S831Page: Ancestry Family Trees
Name source: S156Name source: S130Page: ComberEdward1820.FTW
Name source: S260 Megan Tilley and others, WebSearches - LDS, RootsWeb, etc, Web/Internet, Date of Import: 27 Nov 2005.
Name source: S262Page: Baptism - 1831/1756, 7 March 1831, MACKEY Elizabeth
Page: Death - 1880/10372, 19 May 1880, Elizabeth COMBER
Name source: S260Text: Date of Import: 27 Nov 2005 Megan Tilley and others, WebSearches - LDS, RootsWeb, etc, Web/Internet, Date of Import: 27 Nov 2005.
Name source: S178Page: Database online.
Name source: S156Text: Record for Stanley R Miller http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=AusDeathIndex&h=3994418&indiv=try
Death source: S519Page: Manadorset3 2015-07-24
Text: Record for Edward Comber http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=42261043700&indiv=try
Page: Warner Family Tree 2015-07-11
Text: Record for Edward Mackey http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=6276283616&indiv=try
Page: Manadorset1-1 2015-07-24
Text: Record for Edward Comber http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=pubmembertrees&h=26047184447&indiv=try
Death source: S262Page: Death - 1880/10372, 19 May 1880, Elizabeth COMBER
Event source: S123Page: Emails between 2005-05-20 and 2010-07-05 concerning Pete's research at the National Archives, KEW during that period
Text: Pete Lawton
Attachments - 05/07/2010
Have been down to the Archives again and found out a bit more for you. Most of it really just puts detail on what you already knew.
Edward Mackay did indeed die in transit to England; this was on the 2nd February 1840. No details of what killed him, but I believe he was on board a ship called ‘Diamond’, which incidentally, was the ship John Cassidy went out to India on (very possibly on its return trip).
I’ve attached photos of:
Muster Roll WO12/7272: (runs from April 1839 to March 1841)
WO12/7272 shows him ‘Embarked for England’ in October and then ‘Died at Sea 2nd February’ (oddly this is in the November 1840 column – presumably when they arrived in England)
WO12/7272 (2) is at the end of the quarter section of the Muster Roll, here there is a separate listing for new recruits and those who have left the regiment – including those died. This has details of when he enlisted (8 September 1819); where he was born (looks like Currins – Currin is a civil parish in C. Monaghan – ref. www.irelandgenweb.com/monaghan/) and his job on enlistment (labourer).
WO25/1947 is the entry in the 63rd Casualty Return (1838 – 1842) – reiterates what was in WO12/7272. Unfortunately there are no other associated documents in the Casualty Roll (some men have details of will and possessions attached, but Edward isn’t one of them – bugger).
WO25/1947 (2) is just a close up of this.
Next time I’ll have a scout round to see if there is any more to be found, but I think that may be it. I asked about records of his family and they may be in one of the WO25 embarkation and disembarkation documents – will check these.
As for James Bird he did die at Guznee – but this was 1839, not 1837 as you thought. I couldn’t find him in the 1837 casualties, so I looked in the Muster Rolls and he was alive and well and on guard duty July/August 1837.
By the time I’d got him it was closing time (what is it with your relatives, they only leap out of the pages when the place is about to shut)
Anyway he’s in:
WO12/2046: Muster Roll for 2nd Foot (Queen's Royal) 1839 – 1840. He’s sick at Guznee in the July Muster and died in the August Muster (died on 31st July)
WO12/2046 (2) is at the end of the quarter section of the Muster and shows him just as ‘Died’, those either side of him are marked as ‘Died of Wounds’, so I’m assuming that he didn’t die of wounds from battle. I’ll go back and check out the WO25/1514 (2nd Casualty Return) next time, unfortunately when I looked at this earlier in the day I was looking at 1837, not 1839. I’ll also see if I can trace when he joined which may show where he enlisted/was born.
Anyway that’s it for now, will be in touch. As I say, this really just confirms what you know, but hope it’s of use.
Name source: S523
Text: Record for Edward Comber http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=AusBirthIndex&h=4392942&indiv=try
Name source: S903
Page: Email exchange 2014-Jun-23 between Megan and Gerard Whelan
Text: How is your research coming along? I have been doing a lot of research using the "shotgun" approach - no specific target, just a lot of data. However, I have stumbled onto a clue that has prompted a lot of speculation on my part. I need another rational brain to mull over the same information and see if my speculation holds any grain of truth.
To recap:
You and I are both related to Edward Comber and Elizabeth Mackay, who married in 1851 (thank you for their marriage certificate - where did you find it, as it does not show up in the online NSW BDM searches!!)
Elizabeth Mackay's surname has been spelled a number of different ways, including:
Mackay
Mackey
Mackie
McKee
McKey
McGee
We know that Elizabeth had two sisters:
Mary Jane, who married Robert Devlyn Smyth (also spelled Robert Devlin Smith). Mary Jane moved to Utah with Robert and raised 14 children
Sarah, who emigrated from Ireland with Elizabeth per the JOHN KNOX in 1850 as Irish Famine Orphans
You and I discussed the info I had found about Elizabeth and her family:
Elizabeth was baptised in VDL in 1832
Her father was in the 62nd Regiment and was eventually stationed in India, where his wife Ann and children lived. He and Ann died of (probably cholera) and the girls were returned to Ireland as his place of enlistment.
Elizabeth & Sarah are both shown on documents recording their entry into Australia as Irish Famine Orphans, and on one of those documents shows that there is an entry indicating a relation in the colony
List of Immigrants per Ship JOHN KNOX as inspected by the Immigration Board, on 1st May 1856
Number 18 McKay Elizabeth aged 19 House Servant Macquarie Harbour Van Dieman's :amd Edward & Ann both decd CoE R&W an Aunt - a [coz] Ann Gilroy living in Sydney (health) Good (behaviour on ship) None
Number 19 McKay Sarah aged 21 House Servant Stepney (Cootehill, Cavan) ditto ditto ditto ditto Good None
So, now the reasoning:
I have found quite a lot of info about Elizabeth - we have shared most of that info during my visit with you
I have quite a lot about sister Mary Jane and her family in Utah
I HAD almost nothing about sister Sarah.
Examining Edward & Elizabeth's 1851 marriage certificate, I spotted as witness ANN MURPHY - I have NO proof and have not been able to find a marriage for the Ann Gilroy of the Immigration register, and I wonder if this might be the same ANN. (SUPPOSITION #1)
I have always been confused about the naming of one of Elizabeth's children George Westby Walker Comber
recently, I was doing sporadic searches of TROVE using names out of my genealogy files.
I found an entry for a Dr Westby Walker who lived in Sofala. I've attached the items I found herewith.
Dr Westby Walker appears to have married a woman by the name of Bertha SARAH - have been unable to find a marriage registration
Dr Westby died in 1872
the same Bertha Sarah married John O'Hern - she died 1915 aged 86. By my maths, 1915 minus 86 equals 1829
Surprisingly (or I am making it surprising!!) Sarah Mackey was born c1829. This info confirmed on the Immigration document
(Supposition #2) Elizabeth and her sister Sarah remained in contact and Elizabeth named her son George Westby Walker Comber in recognition of her sister's husband.
I think Supposition #2 is highly likely.
I am hoping that Supposition #1 is accurate.
Do you have any data on Sarah (or should I refer to her as Bertha Sarah???)?
So looking forward to hearing your response!!
Your Third Cousin once Removed
Name source: S909
Page: Family Tree - re Elizabeth Comber
Text: By sheer chance I came across your family tree details on the net and would like to exchange any information that might be of mutual interest to us.
My maternal grandmother was Alice Amelia Rowland [nee Hardy] and of course this would make Elizabeth Hardy [nee Comber] my great grandmother.
The details shown in Emily Hertel's book pertinent to our branch of the Hardy-Rowland family are incorrect and scanty to say the least. However, for the past 18 months I have been writing up a narrative on our family stretching back to the days of the Hardys in Narrabri down through until today.
Consequently, I'd like to compare notes with you, if at all possible.
Regards & Looking forward to hearing from you
John Parker
Page: Email to Ryan Dudley and Megan Tilley from John Parker dated 2009-MAR-14, Subjet "RE:Irish Girl Orphans"
Text: Ryan
Thanks for that.
My knowledge of the Irish Orphan Girls, were courtesy of “Australian Heroines” by Susan Geason [2001].
Regards
John Parker
Name source: S910
Page: Email dated 2009-MAR-14 between Ryan Dudley, John Parker and Megan Tilley regarding Frederick Rowland
Text: I do not have anything on Frederick Rowland as the Hardy family are not related to me. I have only researched Elizabeth Comber and the children she had to John Fitzsimmons who are my blood relations.
Interestingly my great-great-grandmother Mary Baker also arrived on the "John Knox" in 1850 having come from the Cashel Union Workhouse. If you haven't done so already, check out the book Barefoot and Pregnant? by Trevor McClaughlin. Elizabeth McKay is listed on page 264 aged 19 born in Macquarie Head, Van Diemens Land d.o Edmund and Ann (both dead).
Name source: S957
Page: Anglican Church Diocese of Sydney; Sydney, New South Wales, Australia; Baptism, Burial, Confirmation, Marriage and composite registers in the Anglican Church Diocese of Sydney Archives
Text: Record for Edward Comber http://search.ancestry.com.au/cgi-bin/sse.dll?db=61177&h=265310&indiv=try