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Details of John and all his children fom H & A of Leics' and RWT
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"Of Thurleston Newhall" in History & Antiquities of Leics' - Page 1004
Details of John and all his children fom H & A of Leics' and RWT
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John Turvile
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Event(s):
Birth:
About 1498 Of, Aston Flamville, Leicester, England
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Death:
02 OCT 1561 Thurlaston, Leicester, England
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Parents:
Father: William Turvile
Mother: Helen Ferrers
Marriages:
Spouse: Mary Findern
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brad Verity"
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To:
Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 10:11 AM
Subject: Another Daughter for John Ferrers I of Tamworth & Maud Stanley
Joël Merckelbagh kindly brought a Turville/Ferrers marriage to my attention - I had not been aware of it.
William George Dimack Fletcher in his 1887 book 'Leicestershire Pedigrees and Royal Descents', has Sir William Turville of Aston
Flamville, Leics. (d. 1549) married to Helen Ferrers, daughter of Sir John Ferrers of Tamworth Castle (d. 1509) and Dorothy Harper.
Sitat:
From 'A Gentry Community: Leicestershire in the Fifteenth Century, c.1422-c.1485' by Eric Acheson [Cambridge University Press, 2003], pp. 254-255:
"The family of Turville acquired the manor of Aston Flamville by the marriage before 1399 of Richard Turville to Katherine, daughter and heir of Sir William Flamville. Richard's son, also Richard, married Margaret Bugge, sister and heir of Baldwin. This Richard died about 1435 but the much married Margaret lived until 1474. At her death, her grandson, John Turville, inherited her manors of Normanton Turville, Thurlaston, Stoke Golding, Wigston Magna and Croft. John was the son of William Turville and his wife, Elizabeth, daughter of Thomas Fouleshurst. John married Katherine, daughter and coheir of Thomas Staunton who bore him six children before his death in 1506. Very occasionally, the name Turville appears among the lists of Leicestershire electors, including Richard Turville who helped to elect his brother-in-law, Baldwin Bugge, in 1426. However, between 1422 and 1485, no member of the family served in any office within the shire."
William Turville, esquire, of Aston Flamville and Normanton Turville, Leicestershire (c.1483-1549), was the eldest son and heir of John Turville and Katherine Staunton. But his first wife, Helen Ferrers (said to have died 1508), could not have been the daughter of John Ferrers II of Tamworth (d. 1512) and Dorothy Harpur, as Helen was a mother by 1502, and John and Dorothy's son and heir Humphrey Ferrers was born about 1497. Instead, Helen fits in better chronologically as daughter of Sir John Ferrers I of Tamworth and Maud Stanley.
That there was a connection between the Ferrers of Tamworth and Turville of Aston Flamville families is proven by Sir John Ferrers II making William Turville a feoffee in 1508, in the following grant that Will Johnson had posted to the newsgroup last year:
Birmingham City Archives: Adderley family of Hams Hall, Warwickshire (Baron Norton) [MS 917/1073 - MS 917A/174]
Adderley family of Hams Hall, Warwickshire (Baron Norton) Catalogue Ref. MS 917
Creator(s): Adderley family, Barons Norton of Fillongley, Warwickshire
TITLE DEEDS TO LAND
Warwickshire
Conventry
Stivichall
FILE - Grant. John Ferrers, knt., to Walter Gryffyth, knt., William Turvyll, esq., John Curson of Croxsale [Croxall, co. Staff.], esq., William Chetwyn, esq., William Boughton, esq., Christopher Seyntg[er]man, gent., Nicholas Harpur, gent., and Henry Boughton, gent.
Manor of Stichehalle [Stivichall] near Coventre [Conventry, co. War.] and le Marston [Lea Marston, co. War.], and half of the Manor of Horborowe [Harborough] co. War., with appurtenances, etc. to hold to the use of the said Sir John and Dorothy his wife; also half of a pasture called le Hames, in Le Marston, to hold to the use of Roger Ferrers, his uncle. (Please order number 110) - ref. MS 917/1840 - date: 5 October 24 Hen VII[1508]
The fact that William Turville is listed immediately following Sir Walter Griffith (a known brother-in-law of John Ferrers II), and before William Chetwynd, esquire (another known brother-in-law of John Ferrers II) lends support to William Turville also being a brother-in-law of John Ferrers II, though definitive proof remains to be seen.
This would add yet another family - the Turvilles of Normanton Turville, Leics. - to the list of families that have, by the early 1500s, gateway ancestor William Ferrers, 3rd Lord Ferrers of Groby (1333-1371), as their sole link to a descent from Edward I. The other families include:
Browne of Snelston
Chetwynd of Alspath and Ingestre, Staffordshire
Clerke of Forde Hall, Kent
Coke of Trusley, Derbyshire
Cotton of Oxenhoath, Kent
Ferrers of Tamworth and of Baddesley Clinton
Giffard of Chillington, Staffordshire
Gresley of Drakelow, Derbyshire
Griffith of Burton Agnes, Yorkshire
Holt of Grislehurst
Leigh of Stockwell, Surrey
Longford of Longford, Derbyshire
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William Turville, esquire, of Aston Flamville and Normanton Turville, Leicestershire (c.1483-1549), was the eldest son and heir of John Turville and Katherine Staunton. But his first wife, Helen Ferrers (said to have died 1508), could not have been the daughter of John Ferrers II of Tamworth (d. 1512) and Dorothy Harpur, as Helen was a mother by 1502, and John and Dorothy's son and heir Humphrey Ferrers was born about 1497. Instead, Helen fits in better chronologically as daughter of Sir John Ferrers I of Tamworth and Maud Stanley.
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# ID: I154662
# Name: Helen Ferrers
# Sex: F
# Birth: 1484 in of Tamworth
# Death: 1508
# Reference Number: 154732
# Note: Link to be proved but fits with this generation
Father: John Ferrers b: 1452 in of Hambledon, Rutland, England
Mother: Maud Stanley
Marriage 1 William Turvil b: 1483 in of Normanton Turville, Leicestershire, England
Children
1. John Turvil b: in of Normanton Turville & Thurleston, Leicestershire, England
2. George Turvil b: in of Aston Flamville
3. Michael Turvil
4. Elizabeth Turvil
5. Mary Turvil
6. Anne Turvil
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ID: I59718
Name: Helen Ferrers
Sex: F
Note:
William Turville, esquire, of Aston Flamville and Normanton Turville, Leicestershire (c.1483-1549), was the eldest son and heir of John Turville and Katherine Staunton. But his first wife, Helen Ferrers (said to have died 1508), could not have been the daughter of John Ferrers II of Tamworth (d. 1512) and Dorothy Harpur, as Helen was a mother by 1502, and John and Dorothy's son and heir Humphrey Ferrers was born about 1497. Instead, Helen fits in better chronologically as daughter of Sir John Ferrers I of Tamworth and Maud Stanley.
(Brad Verity)
_UID: 28BC1385F7C8433CA846AC7005AE1816A5FB
Change Date: 4 MAR 2009
Father: John Ferrers b: ABT 1442 in Hambleton, Rutland
Mother: Maud Stanley b: ABT 1444 in Elford, Staffs
Marriage 1 William Turville
Married:
Children
John Turville
============= http://www.disnorge.no/slektsforum/viewtopic.php?t=41983&start=4&postd ays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=8f11da89f0a9dd24cae3a03e5032af80 John Higgins Gjest InnleggSkrevet: 15 Jan 2007 23:47:33 Tittel: Re: Another Daughter for John Ferrers I of Tamworth & Maud S Svar med Sitat This Turville/Ferrers marriage is also mentioned in Turville pedigrees in two separate volumes of Nichols' "History and Antiquities of Leicestershire", probably based on a visitation pedigree. It's also mentioned in the [less-than-reliable] Burke's Commoners. All these references indicate that Helen/Ellen was the first wife of Sir William Turvile and dau. of Sir John Ferrers of Tamworth - but they don't indicate her mother. ============== http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2007-01/1168884678 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brad Verity" Newsgroups: soc.genealogy.medieval To: Sent: Monday, January 15, 2007 10:11 AM Subject: Another Daughter for John Ferrers I of Tamworth & Maud Stanley Joël Merckelbagh kindly brought a Turville/Ferrers marriage to my attention - I had not been aware of it. William George Dimack Fletcher in his 1887 book 'Leicestershire Pedigrees and Royal Descents', has Sir William Turville of Aston Flamville, Leics. (d. 1549) married to Helen Ferrers, daughter of Sir John Ferrers of Tamworth Castle (d. 1509) and Dorothy Harper. Sitat: From 'A Gentry Community: Leicestershire in the Fifteenth Century, c.1422-c.1485' by Eric Acheson [Cambridge University Press, 2003], pp. 254-255: "The family of Turville acquired the manor of Aston Flamville by the marriage before 1399 of Richard Turville to Katherine, daughter and heir of Sir William Flamville. Richard's son, also Richard, married Margaret Bugge, sister and heir of Baldwin. This Richard died about 1435 but the much married Margaret lived until 1474. At her death, her grandson, John Turville, inherited her manors of Normanton Turville, Thurlaston, Stoke Golding, Wigston Magna and Croft. John was the son of William Turville and his wife, Elizabeth, daughter of Thomas Fouleshurst. John married Katherine, daughter and coheir of Thomas Staunton who bore him six children before his death in 1506. Very occasionally, the name Turville appears among the lists of Leicestershire electors, including Richard Turville who helped to elect his brother-in-law, Baldwin Bugge, in 1426. However, between 1422 and 1485, no member of the family served in any office within the shire." William Turville, esquire, of Aston Flamville and Normanton Turville, Leicestershire (c.1483-1549), was the eldest son and heir of John Turville and Katherine Staunton. But his first wife, Helen Ferrers (said to have died 1508), could not have been the daughter of John Ferrers II of Tamworth (d. 1512) and Dorothy Harpur, as Helen was a mother by 1502, and John and Dorothy's son and heir Humphrey Ferrers was born about 1497. Instead, Helen fits in better chronologically as daughter of Sir John Ferrers I of Tamworth and Maud Stanley. That there was a connection between the Ferrers of Tamworth and Turville of Aston Flamville families is proven by Sir John Ferrers II making William Turville a feoffee in 1508, in the following grant that Will Johnson had posted to the newsgroup last year: Birmingham City Archives: Adderley family of Hams Hall, Warwickshire (Baron Norton) [MS 917/1073 - MS 917A/174] Adderley family of Hams Hall, Warwickshire (Baron Norton) Catalogue Ref. MS 917 Creator(s): Adderley family, Barons Norton of Fillongley, Warwickshire TITLE DEEDS TO LAND Warwickshire Conventry Stivichall FILE - Grant. John Ferrers, knt., to Walter Gryffyth, knt., William Turvyll, esq., John Curson of Croxsale [Croxall, co. Staff.], esq., William Chetwyn, esq., William Boughton, esq., Christopher Seyntg[er]man, gent., Nicholas Harpur, gent., and Henry Boughton, gent. Manor of Stichehalle [Stivichall] near Coventre [Conventry, co. War.] and le Marston [Lea Marston, co. War.], and half of the Manor of Horborowe [Harborough] co. War., with appurtenances, etc. to hold to the use of the said Sir John and Dorothy his wife; also half of a pasture called le Hames, in Le Marston, to hold to the use of Roger Ferrers, his uncle. (Please order number 110) - ref. MS 917/1840 - date: 5 October 24 Hen VII[1508] The fact that William Turville is listed immediately following Sir Walter Griffith (a known brother-in-law of John Ferrers II), and before William Chetwynd, esquire (another known brother-in-law of John Ferrers II) lends support to William Turville also being a brother-in-law of John Ferrers II, though definitive proof remains to be seen. This would add yet another family - the Turvilles of Normanton Turville, Leics. - to the list of families that have, by the early 1500s, gateway ancestor William Ferrers, 3rd Lord Ferrers of Groby (1333-1371), as their sole link to a descent from Edward I. The other families include: Browne of Snelston Chetwynd of Alspath and Ingestre, Staffordshire Clerke of Forde Hall, Kent Coke of Trusley, Derbyshire Cotton of Oxenhoath, Kent Ferrers of Tamworth and of Baddesley Clinton Giffard of Chillington, Staffordshire Gresley of Drakelow, Derbyshire Griffith of Burton Agnes, Yorkshire Holt of Grislehurst Leigh of Stockwell, Surrey Longford of Longford, Derbyshire Cheers, -------Brad ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to GEN-MEDIEVAL-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ============== Sources: 1. Title: Brad Verity - Medieval list soc.genealogy.medieval, at groups - google.com Page: 1/15/2007 Text: William Turville, esquire, of Aston Flamville and Normanton Turville, Leicestershire (c.1483-1549), was the eldest son and heir of John Turville and Katherine Staunton. But his first wife, Helen Ferrers (said to have died 1508), could not have been the daughter of John Ferrers II of Tamworth (d. 1512) and Dorothy Harpur, as Helen was a mother by 1502, and John and Dorothy's son and heir Humphrey Ferrers was born about 1497. Instead, Helen fits in better chronologically as daughter of Sir John Ferrers I of Tamworth and Maud Stanley. ============== FAMILYSEARCH.ORG IGI Individual Record FamilySearch? International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download Helen Ferrers Pedigree Female Family Event(s): Birth: About 1476 Of Tamworth,Lcstrs, , , England Christening: Death: Burial: Parents: Father: Sir John Ferrers Marriages: Spouse: William Turvile Messages: Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The record often shows the name of the individual and his or her relationship to a descendant, shown as the heir, family representative, or relative. The original records are not indexed, and you may have to look at the film frame-by-frame to find the information you want. A family group record for this couple may be in the Family Group Record Collection; Archive Section. (See the Family History Library Catalog for the film number.) These records are alphabetical by name of the father or husband. Source Information: Film Number: 537834 Page Number: Reference number: ============= IGI Individual Record FamilySearch? International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download Helen Ferrers Pedigree Female Family Event(s): Birth: About 1476 Of Tamworth,Lcstrs, , , England Christening: Death: Burial: Marriages: Spouse: Unavailable Messages: Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The record often shows the name of the individual and his or her relationship to a descendant, shown as the heir, family representative, or relative. The original records are not indexed, and you may have to look at the film frame-by-frame to find the information you want. A family group record for this couple may be in the Family Group Record Collection; Archive Section. (See the Family History Library Catalog for the film number.) These records are alphabetical by name of the father or husband. Source Information: Film Number: 471954 Page Number: Reference number: ============= IGI Individual Record FamilySearch? International Genealogical Index v5.0 British Isles Search Results | Download Helen Ferrers Pedigree Female Family Event(s): Birth: About 1476 Of Tamworth, , Leicester, England Christening: Death: Burial: Marriages: Spouse: William Turvile Messages: Record submitted by a member of the LDS Church. The record often shows the name of the individual and his or her relationship to a descendant, shown as the heir, family representative, or relative. The original records are not indexed, and you may have to look at the film frame-by-frame to find the information you want. A family group record for this couple may be in the Family Group Record Collection; Archive Section. (See the Family History Library Catalog for the film number.) These records are alphabetical by name of the father or husband. Source Information: Film Number: 537281 Page Number: Reference number: ==============